[Israel.pm] Is there a lack of (good) Perl programmers?

Levenglick Dov-RM07994 dovl at freescale.com
Mon Mar 12 00:59:15 PDT 2007

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-----Original Message-----
From: perl-bounces at perl.org.il [mailto:perl-bounces at perl.org.il] On
Behalf Of yaron at kahanovitch.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 09:13
To: Perl in Israel
Subject: Re: [Israel.pm] Is there a lack of (good) Perl programmers?

Hi all,

I think that you are not getting me, and miss the point.
The Title of this conversation is "Is there a lack of (good) experienced
I did not try to Compare perl to other languages, but to give an example
how Perl is being perceived in large projects.
In my opinion, the reason is that there are few "Perl oriented"

In fact Perl is a powerful and rich language. In perl one can solve a
problem in many ways. This freedom speed up development  
As such, in many cases Perl is my first choice and I really enjoy to
develop in perl. 
However, perl approach implies some risks. Many things happens behind
the scenes and so, a programmer must have a deep understanding    when
he chooses an solution for a problem. 
On the other hand, C++,c and Java does not give you the freedom that
Perl gives.
If in perl you can solve a problem in many ways, than in C++ you have
few ways to do it, and thus, in C++ it is much easier to implement code
standards, and the performance of a solution written in C++ is much more
predictable than Perl.
So, the perception of languages like C++ is that performance is much
more predictable than perl and Projects are easier to maintain       .
This of course, does not means that large scale projects cannot be
developed (at least partially) in perl. It does means that we need an
understanding where to use Perl.

Best regards,

Yaron Kahanovitch  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Sterling" <elizabeth at sparkthing.com>
To: "Perl in Israel" <perl at perl.org.il>
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:20:47 PM (GMT+0200) Auto-Detected
Subject: Re: [Israel.pm] Is there a lack of (good) Perl programmers?

> 2. If you don't want to end up with a hard-to-maintain product and you
want to speedup the development with perl you need a  very experienced

    I disagree with both this point and the one following it,
completely. The old Amazon code that was written in c++, before they
moved over to Perl, was complete spaghetti and we'd pull our hair out
trying to maintain it. And that's considering that there was quite a
team of very experienced programmers working there from day one.

   If you want to avoid poor design and development and if you want
easy to maintain code, you need strong technical leadership within
your team. That leader might be a Technical Project Lead or an
Engineering Lead or just a bound and determined loud mouth on your
team who insists on certain stable practices.

Even with a fairly inexperienced team, you can make Perl work well if
you have a leader that knows how to mentor. Mind you, mentoring
be babysitting, and a mentor needn't be the same as a trainer. A team
that can teach the team various best practices and keep them to company
and/or community standards in a macro-management way (as opposed to the
helicopter-style micro-management), can make the power of the language
work for the project without sacrificing good, usable, maintainable

- Elizabeth Sterling

"In fact, one of the saddest but most common conditions in elementary
school computer labs ..., is the children are being trained to use
Word, Excel and PowerPoint. I consider that criminal, because children
should be making things, communicating, exploring, sharing, not
running office automation tools."   -- Nicholas Negroponte
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