[Israel.pm] Shortage (or Perceived Shortage) of P-Languages Programmers in Israel (and Elsewhere)

Mike Freedman michael.freedman at gmail.com
Mon Jun 26 01:55:52 PDT 2006

Good question - why .NET and not Perl. Simple really....

I had been using Perl as part of my previous jobs. Networking mainly...I am
very good at networking, making things stick together with Perl. As an
example, I created an entire backup system using Perl with a simple command
line interface. It was very "simple", but the backbone was detailed. Because
I used it as part of a job and it wasn't the job itself, I found it very
hard to get a full time Perl programmers position, considering that most
positions wanted a number years of experience. Plus I had never used
Mod_Perl or OO in Perl in commercial (even though I had played with it in my
own time). I know I am good - but no-body was willing to give me a try. In
the mean time, someone introduced me to C# - and given I knew all about OOP,
I gelled with it well and found a company that was willing to take me on as
a full time programmer. A year and a bit later I am still here.

How does it compare? Perl is much more flexable. You don't have to declare
variable types, you don't have to program in OO - there are 1001 different
ways to do the same thing and above all else its free and community based
(as this forum prooves). After using C#, ADO.NET and .NET framework for a
year now - I find it very powerful with doing very little. You can produce
window based apps in no time at all. Also - the fact that the language is
tied in to the dev environment (where all you need for Perl is textpad and
some imagination), makes life in respect of debugging code, implimentation
much more powerful and simpler.

OH - and for a laugh, there is the concept of regex in C#, but for the
syntax, it tells you to look at Perl docs ;)

The thing I have learned is that anyone can learn a language and produce a
simple app - not everyone is a good programmer though! To learn how to
program and produce commerical products takes a skill. I must have it - I am
here still a year later!!

Given 1/2 a chance though I would be in Israel with Komodo having a good

-----Original Message-----
From: Shlomi Fish [mailto:shlomif at iglu.org.il] 
Sent: 25 June 2006 22:43
To: perl at perl.org.il
Cc: Mike Freedman
Subject: Re: [Israel.pm] Shortage (or Perceived Shortage) of P-Languages
Programmers in Israel (and Elsewhere)

Hi Mr. Freedman!

In addition to the excellent advice that Guy has given...

On Sunday 25 June 2006 19:50, Mike Freedman wrote:
> Ok I am looking to make Aliyah, I do C#, SQL, ADO, .NET V1.1 etc... I 
> transfered to these because I didnt think that perl was a wanted skill 
> over here in the UK.

For a while it felt a bit like this was the case in Israel too. (re Perl). 
Perhaps the bottom of this trend was at YAPC::Israel::2005 to which
relatively few people came. Of course, it may have been just a feeling and
there may have been some mostly perl jobs if you knew where to look, or had
enough connections. It's hard for me to tell.

Right now, it seems though that there are plenty of perl jobs (or such where
perl programmers will be preferable or acceptable[1]) which you can get if
you have the right connections or heard about in the right places. Some of
which are also advertised in the newspaper, mainly for QA and stuff.

Diverting a bit I should note that I'd like to hear what a Perl programmer
thinks about .NET. Many FOSS or FOSS-oriented developers seems to like .NET,
but some people distaste it or think it's too Microsoftish. My only
experience with .NET was a couple of patches to F-Spot, which is an image
management app (similar to Picasa, but still incomplete) written in Gtk#.

> I guess in Israel things are different. I havent sone perl for a while 
> but used to use it all the time (in sys development).

Do you mean sys admin? QA? Or system development like Guy said.

> How would I find a job in Israel - I am looking. If I can get a good 
> enough one, then I would move over there sooner than later

Look for what Guy said.

BTW, if you're looking to become a more proficient programmer, check my

http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/advice-for-the-young/ [2]

Especially the links at the bottom and elsewhere.


	Shlomi Fish

[1] - It's like Google prefer to hire Python programmers for Java positions.
I also know of two shops where most of their scripts are in Python, who
hired a friend of mine who is a Perl hacker.

[2] - Some people claimed I said roughly the same things as ESR's "How to
become a Hacker". While this have a grain of truth to it, I believe that my
highlights were different and there were also some ommissions from there.

There was also a nice document written by an Indian programmer as a response
to Joel Spolsky's article (
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/CollegeAdvice.html ) which got
Slashdotted, but I misplaced the link to the Slashdot article. (and Google's
no help). If anyone can find the link, I'd apreciate it.

> On 25/06/06, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at iglu.org.il> wrote:
[ Snip]

Shlomi Fish      shlomif at iglu.org.il
Homepage:        http://www.shlomifish.org/

95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the
bottom 5%.

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