[Perl] Report on the meeting on 7th November

Shlomi Fish shlomif at vipe.stud.technion.ac.il
Fri Nov 8 22:23:08 PST 2002


A few notes:

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Gabor Szabo wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am quit tired as I was working till 2am after the meeting.
> I have uploaded 2 book reviews on the web (of Shlomo and mine)
>
> http://www.perl.org.il/bookreviews/
>
> and then tried to get more books from Manning. We'll see.
>
> Actualy I think you can write reviews about other books as well
> not only about the books in the library. Go ahead.
>
>
> So here we go with the report.
> I got to Interbit quite early (around 5) because I did not have my
> slides ready yet for my second presentation, I wanted to write them
> there. In the end I did not have the energy to write them, instead
> bought some bourekas and other refreshment. I think it was better than
> my second presentation would have been :-)
>
> Then around 6 Shlomi came and slowly other people arrived.
> We were 13 this time and at the peak these people were present,
> some of them for the first time.
>
> Pinkhas Nisanov
> Shlomi Fish
> Gabor Szabo
> Sagi Mehadave
> Offer Kaye
> Semuel Vomberg
> Reuven Lerner
> Uri Itscowits
> Yuli Stremovsky
> Yuval Yaari
> Jaime Prilusky
> Mark Veltzer
> Oded Reznik
>
>
> Shlomi kept on explaining his projects to us, about
> Joel on software http://www.joelonsoftware.com/ , Open Source
> CM tools and what not.
>

We also talked about MySQL vs. PostgreSQL, and about how many applications
out there are written specifically for MySQL and cannot work on anything
else. Then I noted, that if Oracle, for example, wants to make use of this
code they may need to make a MySQL emulation layer.

I then talked about ISG Navigator which is a database middleware that can
query data from tables found across several databases (of possibly
different vendors) with a unified SQL. Some people were not impressed as I
am from it.

> The discussions were very lively but I could not follow most.
> Anyway I talked to Jaime who runs Rehovot.pm . I am glad he
> joined us and I hope with his help we'll be able to further
> enlarge our community.
>
> It seems (as others also report) that with all the investment in
> sending info to mailing list the biggest number of new people
> came via our 'friend brings a friend' project. Never heard about it ?
> Then the second place are the various news groups and web sites.
>
>
> So at 7 Yoav from Interbit welcomed us and told us about what they
> do at Interbit.
> Then Shlomi said a few words about the 'Mastering Algorithms with Perl'
> book he reviews earlier (see http://www.perl.org.il/bookreviews/ )
> and went on with the presentation of Quad-Pres his presentation tool.
> He asked me to press the 'next' link while he is talking - I think this
> is a major drawback of QP.
>

I don't see why. You have to signal the presentation to move to the next
slide _somehow_. I could have done it myself, but I would rather someone
else set at the computer. That's how it is done many times in the Haifa
Linux Club.

>
> In the second presentation Gabor talked about
> 'The Nameless Slide Creator'.
> I enjoyed it very much. :-)
> Some questions arised regarding why the hell did I write it
> at the first place when there are more than 30 tools available
> out there. I guess the manuals were too long for me and while I
> knew more or less (mainly less) what do I need I though finding
> out which one out of the 30+ will be able to give an answer to all
> my requirements. (not that they are so complex)
>
> After my presentation we turned on the lights so people will wake
> up and finished all the remaining bourekas while evryone tried
> to convince the rest of the crowd that he knows the best and ultimate
> tool for presentations. As Shlomi puts it 'the category killer'.
>

I actually borowwed the term from Eric Raymond's CatB:

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s08.html

Like I said if you did not read ESR's CatB series so far - you should. It
changed my life<tm>.

>
> After the break Reuven, as usual, gave a great presentation starting
> with mod_perl and finishing with mod_perl. In between he talked about
> Maison and the 'presentation tool' he wrote which is a very simple
> Maison application.

s/Maison/Mason/.

> Of course in order to use it you need a web server
> mod_perl and Maison installed which are not yet standard but as he
> pointed out he does not leave his house without mod_perl anyway so
> that's not a problem.
>
> Then Shlomi quickly gave another presentation he prepared
> (thanks Shlomi) Perl Point he downloaded from somewhere.
>

I think it's PerlPoint and it's available from CPAN.

> After that Mark got up and told us about DocBook which if I
> understood correctly is basically an XML file with its
> own DTD and with lots of 'backends' that can present the information
> in all kinds of format like HTML or PDF or Idontknowwhat.
>

DocBook rocks, but I'm still not sure it has all the features present in
all the tools out there. (or those that were presented by us)

> Library:
> Some people took books I have updated the page and Yuval asked if wanted
> him to give us some extra books he has. Sure, I'd be happy receiving
> them and carrying them to meetings if people wanted to borrow.
> I'll even write your name as our sponsor on the books page :-)
>
>
> So that's it I think, about 9:20 everyone left (it seems the bub thing
> does not take off for some reason) and I took Yuval and Reuen home.
>
> Next meeting is on December 12. Mark Veltzer: Object Oriented Perl
>

Looking forward to it. I talked with Mark by E-mail, IRC and Phone and was
very glad to meet him in person. Likewise for Reuven Lerner who held a lot
of mystique for me.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

> regards
>     Gabor
>
>
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