[Perl] Logo and T-shirts for perl.org.il

gklein gklein at barak-online.net
Sun Nov 3 12:26:07 PST 2002

The next Q+A at http://perl.oreilly.com/usage/faq.html is:

Q: I want to design a T-shirt with the camel on it. Do I need to get
your permission? 

A: Yes. But we're willing to make allowances for those of you who have
creative ideas and want to do something fun for your friends. So, if the
lifetime print run of the T-shirt design is less than 100, you may
consider permission automatically granted. For larger print runs, please
ask first. We promise to answer quickly! 

So I guess it shouldn't be a problem to use the real camel at all (if it
will be less then 100).


-----Original Message-----
From: perl-admin at perl.org.il [mailto:perl-admin at perl.org.il] On Behalf
Of Gaal Yahas
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 3:48 PM
To: perl at perl.org.il
Subject: Re: [Perl] Logo and T-shirts for perl.org.il

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 03:46:51PM +0200, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
> You can read the official statements at
>     http://perl.oreilly.com/usage/
>     http://perl.oreilly.com/usage/faq.html
> Again: I'm not sure if O'Reilly is right on this issue, or if they're 
> simply taking a stand.  But I don't have the time, energy, or money to

> figure out where I'm right and they're wrong, particularly when 
> O'Reilly has many more lawyers and lots more money.

Well, that's pretty darn amazing. I don't know how trademark laws work,
but if the following is legally sound as well as O'Reilly's position--

OR> Q: Do you just own the particular Camel on the cover of Programming 
OR> Perl, or all camels?
OR> A: We don't own any particular camel images. We own the 
OR> _association_ between camels (yes, all of them) and the Perl 
OR> language. We know that sounds pretty sweeping, but it really has to 
OR> be that way. If someone were to use a different camel on their Perl 
OR> book, there would be confusion over which one "The Camel Book" 
OR> referred to. That's how trademarks work, helping to protect 
OR> confusion in the marketplace.

--then the law is preposterous. How can anybody own an association?

Gaal Yahas <gaal at forum2.org> <g.yahas at reading.ac.uk>
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